Cross This Tea at Your Peril

The Tea Party is called radical. What is radical about standing up for what you believe?

There is no Tea Party in the same way there is a Republican Party and Democratic Party. There is no hierarchy, no party leaders, no fundraising apparatus, not even a ballot line in most states. The Tea Party’s state of virtual reality helps the mainstream media push its agenda that the Tea Party’s major influence on outcomes in the 2010 election was merely "one and done." The Liberal media outlets would have us think the real "grassroots" movement is "Occupy Wall Street" and the 99% of us who are not independently wealthy. The Liberal media may have gone on to win that perception game. Then May 8, 2012 happened.

On that day of the Republican Primary, the Tea Party showed it was alive and kicking. In Indiana, 35- year Senator Richard Lugar got his clocked cleaned by Tea Party candidate Richard Mourdock. In Wisconsin, the special recall election of Republican Governor Scott Walker took a bad turn for his opponents. With no candidate of his own party contesting Walker's re-election, he still won more votes than all the Democrats combined who were vying for the nomination to oppose him.

The Tea Party is a party of ideals and ideas. Though people subscribing to its philosophy and actions may not take to the streets, they do take to the polls to vote. They may not get headlines – even when they deserve to get them -- but they do get the results they want. (Nobody ever got elected on a headline, anyhow. Just ask Thomas E. Dewey, prematurely declared the Presidential victor in pre-TV days by the most infamous Page 1 blunder in newspaper history – “Dewey Wins!” -- even though the slick New York Governor ultimately lost to homespun Missouri haberdasher Harry S Truman.)

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Bob Zahm June 01, 2012 at 11:27 PM
Hey, Chris, does that definition of govt' assistance include the tax deduction on home mortgages? If not, it probably should.
Aidan June 02, 2012 at 12:05 AM
Dan, acc. to some, being rich makes others uncomfortable. We learn such things in kindergarten, too. Winners are, well, just winners ... just like everyone else. Same on the ball fields. We have a plague of ties!!!! Who's bothered? The left, of course. It reminds them too often of their short-efforts. Can't have that, right? So, rather than raise the bar, we drop it. Real low. That way everyone will feel the same ... miserable.
Dan Seidel June 02, 2012 at 01:09 AM
I was raised "pink" but also raised to be self reliant and go for the gold. I coached soccer - the team name one group of kids chose was "The Terminators". We were undefeated and PROUD OF IT! WE used the term : "take 'em out!". Some libs just can't handle the truth. I'm glad I can... and did. Teaching business law now - teaching the Constitution, Capitalism and Business Ethics - all compatible and really: can't have one without the other two! amazing logic, those Founders! The kids in class do not understand OWS - and that is a wonderful thing! Tea Party ideal - what a concept! My kids aspire to be 1%ers as well! Maybe there IS hope! PS: refi golden time - 10 yr bond at 1.45%. Deflationary Depression - Thanks Obama!
Dan Seidel June 02, 2012 at 01:21 AM
Aidan: it's time to stop being forced to feel miserable and teach those around us that one should never feel uncomfortable about wealth - they should learn instead how to increase their wealth! So it's time to raise the bar again - and this time it's a race before WE are finished. A little education on facts goes a long way with the young voters these days. Hearts and minds, hearts and minds. time to play: WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE?
Chris June 02, 2012 at 09:34 AM
Fica... What a joke.... Let me break down the numbers ffor you and the u can tell me if the PEOPLE have and are being screwed...... X Ok. 7.65% of a persons salary gets paid into social security and Fica.... Plus there employer kicks in another 7.65% of your salary into the program.... That is 15.3 % of your yearly intake....... Now to make things simple I will make a free assumptions..... I will assume that a person will start work at the age of 21 and have a starting salary of 50,000. I will also assume that this person will work at the same job doing the same work for the same salary over the next let's say 40 years...... Leaving the individual to retire at the tender age of 61..... 1 year sooner than the original age of retirement set up by social security... And the final assumption I will make is that 8% yearly will be the rate of return over that time period...... What will the account balance be for this individual Let's see... 2,181,000......... Your government at work lasts and gentlmen....... Stealing your money and your independance.....
Dan Seidel June 02, 2012 at 12:30 PM
Well, the People must support the Royal Congress and Senate - after all, THEY get lifetime income and benefits, unlike us peons. It's great to have El Patron running my life, no? WE live to serve ...POTUS, his wife: Mooch, Mooch's vacations, shopping sprees, use of taxpayer aircraft... what's wrong with Emperor Obummah conning us all the time? To my fofrmer friends who are Dems - nothing. It's about time to leave the party of the KKK - like being part of the Nazi party, but keep saying: "we have evolved from that" - no we have not. Dems are just as rotten to the core as Repubs. We really DO need a Tea Party. and just why did both Obummah and Mooch give us their law licenses again? oh right - sealed records....again - tax paying peons are not entitled to get explanations for anything Emperor Obummah does. Just ask Axelrod!!
jeff meyer June 02, 2012 at 12:59 PM
Feeling a bit insecure are we. LOL. JM Tuckahoe, NY
jeff meyer June 02, 2012 at 01:12 PM
Social Security and Medicare is government at its best. Imagine our nation without these programs. Millions of citizens depend upon said programs for survival. Especially the elderly and disabled. However, Medicaid should be phased out and replaced with universal health coverage for all citizens. Such coverage should be a right as it is with all industrialized nations including Israel. I begrudge no one who is in the 1%. However, there is a social responsibility for such wealth. As many tell me if you don't like it you can move to another nation. Or perhaps move to Montana and become a Freemen. Beautiful landscape. JM Tuckahoe, NY
Felicia June 02, 2012 at 01:24 PM
Jeff, what do you mean by... "However, there is a social responsibility for such wealth." ?
jeff meyer June 02, 2012 at 01:46 PM
Felicia, I believe said comment speaks for itself and does not need to be parsed. JM Tuckahoe, NY
Ross Revira June 02, 2012 at 02:12 PM
The United States already has universal health coverage. What we do not have is universal health insurance coverage.There is a big difference but certain groups with an agenda try to blur the distinction. Great Britain was one of the first western countries to provide national health coverage. This is a great plan if you need immediate life saving treatment. If it is in any way considered elective you can wait as much a a year for a procedure. To get medical care in a more timely manner private insurance is purchased by a large segment of the population. Another facet of national health coverage is rationing. If you are old and the powers that be feel it is not cost effective you do not get treatment. The system we have in this country combines the best and the worst parts of medical care. Two changes that would greatly reduce insurance premiums are: allowing insurance to be sold across state lines and Tort reform. This would increase competition and decrease the need for expensive multiple medical tests performed so as to protect the doctor from lawsuits. To give our complete medical coverage to the government to administer one has to look at how effective they are in running Medicaid and Medicare. The fraud and waste in both systems is enormous. Could you imagine how many more crooks would become a 1% and how many people would die in the process?
Ross Revira June 02, 2012 at 02:18 PM
If anybody believes Social Security and Medicare is government at its best then they are surely not paying taxes to support it but collecting the benefits instead.
Mike June 02, 2012 at 02:43 PM
Paul, can you provide clear examples of the "war" they have waged and give me one example of the "necessary" government programs they have fought against. Rhetoric without facts is exactly hat we don't need at this critical moment not just in US history but the world. You realize we are staring at the edge of the cliff? We are one crisis away from another recession and who knows what else. Obama and his stimulus policy has FAILED.
Mike June 02, 2012 at 02:49 PM
Walden- how do you expect anyone to have a conversation with you whe n you use such hate filled language. Please provide details as to where TP supporters are racist.
Walt June 02, 2012 at 02:50 PM
Felicia, What Jeff is saying is that people that earn more money should pay even more taxes and REDISTRIBUTE their wealth. You see, it's very easy for him to come on here and say that because he doesn't pay any taxes on his $100K+ disability pension. He has no idea what it is like to see our income taxes go up year after year and then flushed down the toilet with wasteful spending.
Mike June 02, 2012 at 02:56 PM
Walden- please provide us with reputable (not some lunatic left wing fringe group) source to support your accusation that TP wants to eliminate SS and Medicare. BTW, you do realize by the governments own analysis, SS and Medicare will be bankrupt within next 10-15 years? These programs are not sustainable. They need to be reformed if they are to survive. Bottom line Walden, the USA has no money and the news of this week indicates it going to only get worse- much, much worse.
Mike June 02, 2012 at 02:59 PM
How do we pay for this Jeff. Remember, the US is already broke.
Mike June 02, 2012 at 03:06 PM
Interesting, perhaps Congress should pass legislation requiring tax on all sources of income including those from disability, pension, etc.
Aidan June 02, 2012 at 05:27 PM
"Social Security and Medicare is government at its best." No. At it's worst. The SS fund has never been a dedicated fund. It's been drained by government for decades ... and that is part of the mess. Medicare was also never properly administered. Yes, these have the potential for good ... if they are managed correctly ... and they are not. Why not? Because government has a dreadful track record of such pursuits. The issue isn't necessarily the programs themselves ... it's the inept administration of the programs and the lack of government discipline. All in all, it is another symptom that government is too large ... as well as too intrusive.
Aidan June 02, 2012 at 05:28 PM
Mike, pensions are federally taxed.
Ross Revira June 02, 2012 at 05:55 PM
I believe police disability pensions are not taxed federally or by New York State. If someone with knowledge regarding what is taxable that would be appreciated.
Dan Seidel June 02, 2012 at 06:02 PM
From what I remember of a Gen Mun Law 207(c) 3/4 police and fire accident disability pension and the interplay with the Social Security Law (Sect 221?) the disability is for life pay and there are no taxes. One can also have an income producing job and make up to $25K without reduction in 3/4 pay. One can also have investments and annuities - tax consequences depend upon the vehicle of payment. Ain't collective bargaining great?
Ross Revira June 02, 2012 at 06:18 PM
Thanks Dan. You would have thought the answer would have been given by someone who always has an opinion on how to spend other peoples money.
Dan Seidel June 02, 2012 at 06:31 PM
Thanks 4 the thanks. Usually the "mouths" are arm chair warriors who do not peel onions. I only know from representing cops and fire people who were injured on the job (I redistribute wealth). the 3/4 is from the last three years of service - usually padded with as much OT as can be obtained. The medical disability would put the service person "out to pasture" because of the inability to perform the essentials functions of that job. These rules are special for cops and fire people only. For a truly injured service person, I guess this would be ok. But many many scammers out there - usually these guys look for the 207(c) IF they can bootstrap it to a line of duty accident. Amazing paydays. If salary continuation during disability is paid thru workers comp while the service person is still employed and not yet put out to pasture, workers comp has a lien, dollar for dollar and can assert the lien against the 207(c) recovery of the service personnel OR assert a separate lawsuit against the one (third party) that caused the accident. Usually workers comp never asserts the lien and never gets the payback into the system of monies paid out during continued employment (awaiting the passture of 207(c) retirement fund thru the state) - stupid. The burden of paying the pension shifts when employment ceases and retirement actually begins - a day certain. great jobs!!! binding arbitration s**ks.
jeff meyer June 03, 2012 at 01:35 AM
My goodness!!! Such acrimony and bitterness. Going to a tea party rally with some of you guys must be a real hoot. LOL. JM Tuckahoe, NY
Walt June 03, 2012 at 02:16 AM
Not only are you sanctimonious, you are also redundant.
Teleman June 03, 2012 at 02:26 AM
I have to agree with Taggart- there is a black and white difference between public and private sector unions- especially when you compare the unionized workforce of a company like Verizon which makes billions in profit each quarter and whose ceo makes $25 million a year to a state or local government which is running bankrupt and taxing it's citizens right out.
Teleman June 03, 2012 at 02:31 AM
There are extremes on both sides- during the industrial revolution of our great country we saw what happened when we let the capitalists run free and unregulated- we had 7 year olds working in coal mines, the company store,and things like the Triangle shirtwaist fire where 146 garment workers lost there lives because of the greed of their companys owners. On the other side, we have socialism and Marxism where everything is regulated by the gov't and everyone shares in complete misery with food shortages and no economy. There is a middle that must come out of these extremes.
Judy Kurland June 03, 2012 at 03:23 PM
First I resent calling the union people who went to Wisconsin to support the recall as "thugs". My goodness, they were mostly retired union members who could manage to get there to support their brothers and sisters and save collective bargaining. Those Wis. teachers actually agreed to many reductions but Scott Walker is on record as indicating he wants to wreck and destroy all unions (govt.).. And don't forget I (retired NYC teacher) paid into my pension all those 25 years. And by the way you cannot carry your pension if you leave NYC and teach in Rockland. And furthermore social security and medicare is secure for many years to come so stop repeating lies and misinformation you have heard from "sources". And finally why do you begrudge diabetes medicine and (for those who have neurpathy) special shoes. When you hit 70 or 75 as a retiree, these items save lives and help elderly people. as a single person with diabetes, heart disease, and osteoarthritis I need my physicians and medicine to survive. My out-of-pocket cost for medicine and insulin are over $2000 a year. I paid into medicare and worked for 25 years in NYC at quite a low wage during the first 10 or 15 years. I liked teaching chi;ldren. What would you have me do- just let me die slowly? Do you intend to support your elderly parents or should the city, state, and/or government help? I contributed to this country in many ways teaching and encouraging inner city children.
Mike June 03, 2012 at 03:37 PM
Judy,Judy, Judy, where to start? First, if these poor union folks can scrape enough to get out to Wisconsin, how tough can it really be or them. Second, I am against any and all recall elections. I find them undemocratic. The majority of the people in the state elected Walker for 4 years. If you don't like him, vote him at at the next scheduled election. This is a bad precedent for a democracy. Recalls should be reserved for out and out corruption and illegal activities. They should not be employed because one faction disagree with political decisions. What happens next? If Walker is recalled, does the next unhappy political faction recall the new Governor? Where does that end? It ends in anarchy! SS and Medicare is safe? Have you followed anything about healthcare reform? It's the entire reason why Obamacare was initiated- Medicare and our SS system is not sustainable and by the governments own analysis is 10 or so years away from bankruptcy. Guess what Judy, most people today don't even have pension plans in the private sector. We are all in 401k plans which after lat weeks economic news have become 301k plans on their way down to who knows where. So please, stop with the poor mouth cries. Try raising a family in RC in today's time.


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