Indian Point Public Meeting Melts Down
Residents made their voices heard at a public forum that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission held in Cortland Manor on Indian Point's safety.
Residents made their voices heard at a public forum that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission held in Cortland Manor on Indian Point's safety.
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Shar
6:47 am on Saturday, June 4, 2011
Do the residents realize our Real Estate Taxes will sky rocket if Indian Point closes?
mike
8:23 am on Saturday, June 4, 2011
Skyrocket us an understatement. Besides, I believe Indian Point supplies almost half of the Cities power. Where are they going to make up that power from?
mike
8:25 am on Saturday, June 4, 2011
Then, not only will our school taxes go up because of the 83 low income units they are putting in by the end of this year, but so will the property taxes.
John Dickerson
8:48 am on Saturday, June 4, 2011
I didn't get the impression these demonstrators had given a moment's rational thought to what realistic level of risk is acceptable with any public utility power source or to what sort of power source would replace what Indian Point now provides with low cost, high reliability and a virtually zero carbon footprint from a location immune to the danger of tidal waves. I was encouraged to see at least some coverage of the adults supporting Indian Point and to hear their those segments of their remarks that weren't drowned out by the boos and slogans of the anti-Indian Point mob.
The impression I get is a flashback to the SDS, SANE and other political tantrums of the sixties and seventies. Lots of shouting, lots of demands, predictable signs and t-shirts and not much in the way of civility. Perhaps this is just a another way for the left to rally its local base given the recent elections and the demonstrated failure of the Obama administration's economic, energy, and other policies. Raging Grannies?! Give me a break!
Ken Gale
9:29 am on Saturday, June 4, 2011
Indian Point supplies at most 2000 megawatts of electricity. Entergy sells only 575 MW to Con Ed; the contract to sell all of it to Con Ed is over. Con Ed ratepayers use between 6,000 & 16,000 MW depending on time of year & weather. Indian Point couldn't possibly supply 1/2 the power. Mathematically impossible.
Where would the power come from? The same place it comes from when the there's a black-out and the plant doesn't operate for several days afterward. The same place it comes from when Indian Point goes down. And the rates didn't go up when those things happened. They go up when the weather gets hotter.
Where COULD the power come from? Check out the research on
http://www.asrc.cestm.albany.edu/perez/
What would property values be like if some nut took one of those many private jets at Westchester County Airport and plowed into Indian Point? It's a six-minute flight.
There have been a hundred different studies in Europe and the U.S., including in Westchester, showing higher cancer rates near nuclear power plants. Only the NRC has been able to find the one dissenting report. One of over 100.
Political activism of the '60s is where the Voting Rights Act came from. Political activism 100 years ago is why there are child labor laws. Meanwhile, they tried to tell us then that if the U.S. lost the Viet Nam war, soon Thailand and Malaysia and Australia would become communist. I think the conservative MPs in Australia would resent being called communist.
Steve G
12:53 pm on Saturday, June 4, 2011
What rediculas statements that there are 100 different studies showing that nuclear power plants cause higher rates of cancer and that crashing a private jet into the plant would cause a disaster. These are just more fear tactics of the anit-nuclear groups that raise unfounded fears to bolster their psycho babble. Yes lets keep producing power from coal and natural gas that really have a detrimental effect on our nations health.
John Codman
11:56 am on Saturday, June 4, 2011
The health and safety risk far outweigh any economic discomfort we might feel because we have replace this power by other means. There is no acceptable risk when it comes to Nuclear Power. We have no answer for the lomg term storage and safety for tons of radio active waste that has a deadly toxic half life of thousands of years. It's a time bomb waiting to go off. The downside risk is the devastation of a 25 mile radius of the plant. NO ONE will be able to live there for a very long time. This plant was not built to last this long. It's time to shut it down.
Marge
12:36 pm on Saturday, June 4, 2011
There is NO NEED for economic discomfort to be felt. It will only be felt because the trans-national (fascist) conglomerates will make SURE you feel it by closing the plant down. We could have nearly edless and inexpensive power but the POWERS that BE will not allow it to happen so the people either make it happen or it won't happen. There is no level of risk people should be "willing" to take when it comes to nuclear power since it will affect not only those close to Indian Point, but many, many others --possible many thousands of miles away (just like Chernobyl, Fukushima and TMI). I am sick to death of inter-generational bureaucrats telling the "regular" people (in their minds, "peasants") what is good for them, what are acceptable levels of risk, how to live, how to build a dwelling that will pass "code", how much insurance is required, and on and on and on. And for what? A nice, hefty paycheck. Bureaucrats are the exoteric face of the powers that be...just like soviet russia or any other collectivist "community". If they have their way, most of you will live the "communitarian" lifestyle pushed down upon you by the U.N. via treaties signed by your "government(s)" which you don't even know about because the mainstream media "covers" the news, they don't report it.
Raymond Reber
5:04 pm on Saturday, June 4, 2011
It is a sad commentary when citizens would rather shout down the knowing rather than listen to the planned presentation. Kowledge is gained by listening, not talking or shouting. As an engineer knowledgeable about the energy industry and the Indian Point facilities, I wonder what knowledge base those people have that say the potential danger of Indian Point is unacceptable, regardless of its value to the electrical grid, local jobs or tax revenue. People do not want to recognize that Three Mile Island was a core meltdown with an insignificant release of radiation and that the Japanese plants were done in by the tsuname and not the earthquake. These people have a greater chance of being hit by a meteor than being affected by Indian Point.
John Murray
5:43 pm on Saturday, June 4, 2011
That's what they said about Black Swans...
duck!
John Murray
5:41 pm on Saturday, June 4, 2011
I find myself torn on the issue. I am turned off by the posts here and by hyperbole around imminent and certain doom as well as by people who completely discount the possibility of tragedy, especially given population density here.
While I am pro nuclear energy I would be open to shutting IP down (it has already been pointed out how purchasing energy off the grid could be accomplished). The RE tax increase bleating is overstated and I have no problem putting a relative handful of people out of work if it means preserving the safety of my family. On the anti nuke side of the aisle “changing lifestyles” just isn’t going to happen on a dime or in a sufficiently dramatic manner to make up for a loss in output if all nuke plants were to be shut down. Heck, that would be counterproductive as the energy would need to be made up by fossil fuel burning plants.
NIMBY? Maybe, but I think it makes a lot more sense to build these facilities where the population is much smaller and any impact on business much less dramatic as opposed to having two plants, as well as those spent fuel rods, here in the Peekskill area.
Yes, I think IP ought to be shut down. It’s old and just not in the right place – if this were a green field site Entergy, or whoever, would never be given the OK to build today.
Gail
9:35 pm on Saturday, June 4, 2011
Looks like a flash mob at the meetings...not a good thing when people are trying to make a ligetiment argument
Earl
7:34 am on Sunday, June 5, 2011
Typical bunch of left-over hippy protestor types- not looking for any real knowledge or insight- just there to disrupt. I wonder how many of these people were from the area. They should have thrown out the children in the room and let the people with reasonable intelligence who were there to listen and speak stay. Next time there is a meeting like this respect those who are there to have meaningful input, don't get in the VW or Subaru with the "no nukes" sticker and ruin it for the rest of us.
Maureen Winzig
4:01 pm on Sunday, June 5, 2011
A seriously thought out alternative to nuclear power needs to be tested and ready to replace the plant BEFORE it is closed down. Until then, any and all precautions must be adhered to with environment and workers coming first... my 2 cents...
Shar
8:43 pm on Sunday, June 5, 2011
Perhaps in the future we will have a good alternative to nuclear power and it will be most welcome. Until then I am sure all precautions are being taken at Indian point nuclear power plant.
However, I don't appreciate the busing in of Senior Citizens by environmentalist from outside our area for the soul purpose of making a protest and disturbance inside our town hall.
Arnold Gore
4:54 pm on Sunday, June 5, 2011
The problem with nuclear power is simply that the severity of the consequences of as yet unseen events is catastrophic. The reality is that the frequency of those at onetime very rare and devastating events such as tornadoes, earthquakes, floods. uncontrollable fires have became much more common. Ask any insurance company. None in their considered judgment would underwrite the full impact of an accident.
They depend on the federal government to force all citizens to bear the cost in the limitation of liability provided by the Price-Anderson Act that limits the liability of nuclear operators.
If the 'experts' were so convinced of their arguments they would not require those guarantess.
Shar
8:49 pm on Sunday, June 5, 2011
Perhaps in the future we will have a good alternative to nuclear power and it will be most welcome. Until then I am sure all precautions are being taken at Indian point nuclear power plant.
However, I don't appreciate the busing in of Senior Citizens by environmentalist from outside our area for the soul purpose of making a protest and disturbance inside our town hall.
Steve
10:34 am on Monday, June 6, 2011
Kind of sad that the number of people favoring closing the plant outnumbered the people favoring it staying open literally by a 3 to 1 margin, but 100% of the pro people got into the video, and one of those three a paid lobbyist for Entergy, while only 5% of the anti people were shown, and that leaning substantially towards the countercultural types like Beat legend David Amram and the Raging Grannies. No a single scientist reading actual data. Not a single elected official or representative of a legislative body reporting on the inability of emergency services to respond to incidents, even minor ones, let alone substantial ones. Not a single anti person in a business suit -- even though dozens from all three of those categories spoke at the mic. Balanced reporting, right? Liberal media?
Maureen Winzig
11:14 am on Monday, June 6, 2011
Steve - I wish the well-meaning exhibitionist types would allow the scientists and office to speak. The were there...
Edie Kantrowitz
1:08 pm on Monday, June 6, 2011
It appears that those who support Indian Point are the ones who are not educated on the facts, and so instead of refuting arguments in a rational and convincing manner, which they appear unable to do, they instead attack those who are extremely concerned about a possible nuclear catastrophe by describing them as "hippies" or mentioning that they came up from NYC on buses. Well, the whole point is that NYC is not "outside the region" because if there were an accident, it is well within the 50 mile radius that would become hopelessly contaminated. So people from NYC are deciding to come to these hearings because it affects them directly, not only Westchester and Rockland. The vast majority of the attendees, both from NYC and from nearer to Buchanan, were overwhemingly in favor of closing Indian Point. But those who spoke and were well dressed and professional and well prepared with facts, including respected scientists and local elected officials, were mostly not featured in the video. That's real sad.
John Murray
1:53 pm on Monday, June 6, 2011
I like to hang out with "leftie hippy professor types". They even put up with me when I am in my business suit.
Well said, Edie & Steve. I wish I had been present to see it all for myself.
Shar
3:23 pm on Monday, June 6, 2011
" Old Lefty Hippi Types" those with their head somewhere else besides their shoulders,
Spent nuclear rods, Walking barefoot on dirty sidewalks, Political Correctness, changing words to hide the truth, dysfunctional wanderers. Burned out long ago.
DeeDee Halleck
7:28 am on Tuesday, June 7, 2011
Really well done video. Short and clear. Thank you. The comments above that are pro nuke are terrifying. They should take a trip to Northern Japan and see what an accident does for health and safety there. (And property values!)
Shar
9:07 pm on Tuesday, June 7, 2011
DeeDee, it was not the Earthquake that destroyed the Nuclear Power plants in Japan ....it was the Tsunami....neither of which create a problem with the Indian Point Power Plant.
However the residents here will have a Tsunami of Real estate taxes if Indian Point Nuclear power plant closes.
BTW Dee Dee ...what area do you live in?